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Earnhardt Woes Continue; Denny Wins in Virginia! | | By Carol Einarsson | 10/27/2009 | Category: Cheers and Jeers | | | JEERS to time passing so quickly and it already being five years since the Hendrick plane crash tragedy. CHEERS to remembering those lost, but since they just replayed parts of the Hendrick film that they aired two weeks ago, why not just have saved that film for this week?
CHEERS to ESPN Staff Writer Greg Jennings who writes the fantastic intro pieces read by Mike Rowe. Yes, we know I’m a fan and Mike could read the phone book to me and I’d be happy, but the writing on those pieces is very well done and has improved over the period of The Chase.
CHEERS to Mike Hatfield and one of the best invocations I’ve heard in a long time. I’m guessing there was no prepared written prayer on that one. And all the people said… Amen!
CHEERS to Mountain Heart, a group I’ve never heard of, but just seeing one guy singing and the others standing by told us that it was about to get good right here in a minute, and sure enough, it did.
CHEERS to the way the teams were lined up, all along the wall, and not shoulder to shoulder standing in lines. I especially liked the way some of them were leaning on the wall in prayer.
CHEERS to the way Rick Hendrick looks like Ben Franklin from that angle, with his hair color and the way the clouds behind him could have been hiding a Ben Franklin ponytail. Random, yes, but look again at your DVR and you’ll see.
CHEERS to the fans being the “grand marshal(s)” but maybe it’s the skeptic in me that thinks, they couldn’t get anyone else?
CHEERS to Denny still being bothered by a perceived injustice done to him by the points leader last spring.
CHEERS to Jonathan in San Antonio asking Denny how aggressive he’ll be in the same situation, and to Denny for his answer, “Aggressive enough to do the same.” Yeah, this season is far from over and there are some things that still outside the control of even the most genius crew chief. I hope Chad has his bottle of TUMS.
CHEERS to the “Brady Bunch” grid and Mark Armstrong in the place of Alice, looking like a driver whose car was stolen.
CHEERS to the pit reporting team with a fantastic and seamless presentation of the challenges facing the teams on pit road. That was the best I’ve seen the team this year, with each member just as strong as the next, even Vince despite his brilliant quote of the day, “Once they locate their pit stall, then they actually have to get IN to that pit box.” Y’think?
JEERS to the fans waving the green flag and not showing anyone in the actual flagstand starting the race.
JEERS to a planned competition yellow on lap 50 especially since even I know, as we’re only on lap four, that there’s no way we’ll make it 50 laps without a caution for something else, and any other caution ought to cancel out the planned one fifty laps in. But while we’re at it, even if there wasn’t another caution before then, so what? Are these new tires and we’re unsure of the wear? Is it a new surface and we’re unsure of how it will eat tires? Is this a group of rookies that have never raced at Martinsville? What is so different that we have to have a planned break like that?
CHEERS to even before I was done writing the paragraph above, my point is proven.
JEERS to Matt Kenseth pushing our favorite Tasmanian. Is there a grudge we don’t know about?
CHEERS to double-file restarts at short tracks where it’s even better than at a cookie-cutter track.
CHEERS to the 42and 14 side by side in identical red paint.
JEERS to all the empty stands at a short track in NASCAR, but CHEERS (I guess) to the covering of large sections of grandstands with sponsor ads because I like that somewhere, sometime, someone had the idea to make those as a disguise for the empty seats.
JEERS to a flat tire on the 55, but CHEERS to calling off the future planned caution.
JEERS to trouble on pit road, but as the pit-road segment at the start explained, we pretty much knew there’d be trouble early and often in the pits at Martinsville.
JEERS to another sick driver, this time Matt Kenseth. CHEERS , though, to plenty of stand-by drivers these days. I guess that’s one good thing about underfunded teams.
CHEERS to the disclaimer in the Sprint mobile commercial, “Do not try this in your jet.”
Yeah, that’s probably worse than texting while driving.
JEERS to another flat tire, this one for Junior. Just no getting around it, there is no good luck happening on that team at all.
JEERS to… again, a flat tire. This time it’s for Sterling Marlin, but the good news is, we just found out that Sterling Marlin is in the race.
CHEERS to Jeff Gordon being mad at someone, and that someone being Juan Pablo Montoya. It’s only lap 110 and we’ve already got angry drivers. We like that at a short track!
CHEERS to Dave Burns looking stuff up, but not telling us “so you don’t have to.”
JEERS to the 88 in the wall. And DJ’s comment, “They have some kind of problem with their set up or driving style.” We like the subtle way that finger is pointed, though.
JEERS to reports from the pits that JJ is out third, but the graphic showing him in first.
CHEERS to the team of Robby Gordon pushing his car through narrow passageways in the garage.
CHEERS to the autumn colors in the background of the track, almost as pretty as those in my Nebraska neighborhood.
JEERS to a Penske problem and teammates spinning each other. That can’t feel good in the pit of Roger’s stomach. There’s a reason this race is sponsored by TUMS.
CHEERS to the replay, however, showing it wasn’t the Penske boys to blame for that. At least that’ll make the Monday meeting not so uncomfortable.
JEERS to ESPN, however, for no mention of TUMS. “Getting set for the restart here NASCAR Sprint Cup Series at Martinsville presented by Goodyear…” Tell me why any sponsor would want to put their name on a race if NASCAR isn’t going to enforce with the broadcasting network that their name be used.
JEERS to “Caution again, Sam Hornish goes around.” How many times have we heard that this year?
JEERS to Kasey in the wall, and DJ again pointing that finger? Hmmm… I wonder what’s going on there. Junior gets the free pass after his splitter put a tire down on the Bud car. I wonder where NASCAR draws the line at “bringing out a caution.”
JEERS to one nasty-looking mangle for the 44 car. Sure looks like Joey was paying back a little bit from before, but if ESPN had all of those altercations between those two, why did they save them for when the 44 finally went in the wall instead of showing them to us when they were happening? “Hey, here’s some great short-track altercations, but let’s not show it… let’s save it for later. It’ll make a great replay.”
CHEERS to the 42, 11, and 48 being fastest because that means if the 11 and 48 get together, we might see JPM in Victory Lane.
CHEERS to the overhead shot at Martinsville where we can best see how the cars are moving around. I think the whole race might be best watched that way.
CHEERS to Sterling Marlin making the TV coverage again. And CHEERS to John Andretti for the same reason, especially because A&W is our favorite root beer.
JEERS to “I don’t know what that was all about” when the 12 spun the 1. Were y’all not watching earlier when Truex wrecked both Penske cars? You showed the replay. How were you not paying attention just half an hour ago?
CHEERS to the catch-can man on the 2 car who surely deserves double-pay for his work on Sunday. His job, keep that can attached to the car. Kurt backs up, CC man backs up. Kurt pulls up, CC man stays attached. There was nothing the bonehead driver of that car was going to do that was going to cause the CC man to detach. We’re extra glad he didn’t end up under the car, though.
CHEERS to Denny reminding Jimmie Johnson. “Here I am, and in case you thought otherwise, I haven’t forgotten about what you did.”
JEERS to another flat tire for the 88. Now we’ve just stopped throwing cautions for him? Nice.
JEERS to Jimmie who thinks the appropriate place to hit the 11 is in the turn. I think that’s what got you into trouble with him the first time. You haven’t learned??
CHEERS to Zippy and to Joey Logano, probably the only driver who has homework to do. I wonder if his mom and dad let him watch TV before he’s done.
CHEERS to Carl and Kyle, and the 99 – with more racing talent – getting the better of it.
CHEERS to overuse of the phrase “money stop” that reminds me of something different, now, every time I hear it.
JEERS to whatever happened to the side of the 11 car that has the top part of his second 1 missing. How does something happen up there?
CHEERS to Dave Burns with his own pit-road collision, but thankfully everyone’s okay.
CHEERS to John Andretti. Despite being pushed around even by otherwise-nice-guys like Elliott Sadler, Andretti hangs in there and doesn’t park the car.
JEERS to JJ trying not just for a repeat win from the spring, but a repeat spin of the 11, apparently.
CHEERS to Jeff Gordon deciding that 30 laps to go is the perfect time to take on JPM and his aggressive ways. And while I’m at it, do you really think Juan Pablo was offended at the taco comment? I mean, really?
CHEERS to Casey Mears making his own bed. Lost a good sponsor last year, now has no sponsor for next year, no crew chief, no job… You have to wonder about how far-reaching poor personal choices can go.
JEERS to being 20 laps from the end of the race and wondering if I’ve heard Mark Martin’s name at all today.
JEERS to debris with 17 to go. And coincidentally, Denny runs better on long runs and Jimmie better on short runs. But if you like short track banging, you’re surely to enjoy this restart and the last run of the race. Who am I trying to kid? This won’t be the last run. It’s Martinsville.
CHEERS to Denny, and likely to Mike Ford even more, keeping him calm and positive on that restart so he didn’t beat himself worried about the pressure from the 48.
JEERS to whatever issues the 07 is having and Casey Mears driving like a pinball.
JEERS to bad nasty damage for the 82, but CHEERS to Scott Speed unwilling to stay put. Apparently they didn’t tell him the back half of his car was mostly left behind.
CHEERS to a real piece of undeniable debris.
CHEERS to a replay of how Scott Speed put himself in the wall. What was THAT?! Drifting around three cars and running out of race track. Reminded me of Carl’s crazy video game maneuver. If it had worked, it would have been a fantastic display of genius. Chances of it actually working, though: about zero percent.
CHEERS to Chad who can answer any question even when he starts with “I don’t have any idea what you just said, but…”
CHEERS to John Andretti again getting his root beer car on TV. Probably not how the sponsor had in mind, but still quite a bit of air time for the beverage company.
JEERS , though, to Andretti not just keeping that car against the wall where he was significantly safer.
CHEERS to Vin Scully who taught me at a young age to read the lips of athletes on the field, so I know exactly what Chad just said while gesturing with his hands. I’m guessing you know, too.
CHEERS to “Here’s a place where you don’t want to wreck anybody because payback is ….” and then he said, “really bad here.” Anyone else surprised?
JEERS to missing our favorite Sprint girl. Sure, we know there are officially two of them, but we also know there’s one that we all like better. Sorry, Sprint Girl #2.
CHEERS to an eighth place finish for Mark Martin. Turns out he WAS in the race! And he’s still in second place. And we like his new attitude towards Talladega! That, boys and girls, can’t be anything other than the quote of the week!!
CHEERS to Ryan Newman’s wet hair in his post-race interview that made it look like he was wearing a yarmulke.
CHEERS to a happy fan dragging home a hunk of Scott Speed’s car. We also appreciate Allen Bestwick’s knowing comment, “And his wife says, ‘What’re we gonna do with THAT?!’”
CHEERS to Denny’s dad, “This is the second time he’s made me cry.”
JEERS to Brad’s attempt at a memorable quote, “If we don’t recognize history, it’s soon to repeat itself.” Isn’t that a warning we give for when we want to avoid repeating? But his point is that he’s predicting history is GOING TO repeat itself with a JJ championship. Bill Weber School of Broadcasting graduate?
And finally,
CHEERS to Denny Hamlin, who amid a hundred stories about who Jimmie beat and who Jimmie didn’t, and how Jimmie’s points are now, and what Jimmie’s chances remain to be for his fourth championship… WON THE RACE! We expect this when it’s the last race of the season and a champion is crowned and the winner of the race is sort of lost in the background. But the championship isn’t yet decided and Denny won at his much-loved Virginia home track and he still somehow ended up as a side-note in Jimmie Johnson’s story.
| | | Comments: | | JEERS to ABC/ESPN not showing the drivers/crew saluting the fans! What's up with that? I would have liked a nice close up camera pan going down pit row as they were clapping.
CHEERS to the "debris" in the final laps and Denny calling NASCAR out saying it has been there since lap 100 and Junior waving the flag.(and we know which flag that is! Kyle Petty used to wave it a lot on twitter during TNT's broadcasts)
CHEERS to "A 'come to Jesus' meeting" for Zippy and the Home Depot crew. Must have been messing up pretty bad for Zippy to have a need to call for that meeting.
CHEERS I think. Though I'm chuckling. At NASCARs warning for the 12 car and his bumper being on anyone elses car, he isn't gonna like what they(NASCAR) to do him(12).
JEERS to tire issues and misusing the brakes. CHEERS to coming back from 2 laps down and making it up to 15th. JEERS to oversliding the pits and losing 10-15 positions and never recovering. JEERS to another tire issue.
Wrong article, but I was wonderin' if Steve Addington doesn't return to the 18 can he jump ship and come to the 88? |
| | | CHEERS to the writer who sees totally different things in the race then I do. Well done Carol. |
| | I was amused by the #2 catch can man too, I thought it was humorous!!!!
Didn't the rear tire changer throw the airgun at the car when he was leaving the pits? I have wanted to do that too!!!
Another great cloumn Carol! |
| | CHEERS to your... JEERS to a flat tire for Sterling Marlin, I loved the "but the good news is, we just found out that Sterling Marlin is in the race." I feel this way about some of my favorite drivers, especially during the last 10 races.
CHEERS to twitter enabling me to read your column on Monday night. Nice that you are doing more tweets.
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| | Great C&J, Carol, I can't even think of much to add!
I am absolutely terrible at lip-reading, but I, too, knew exactly what Chad said. My dad had said the exact same thing about 2 second earlier!
LOL @ Newman's "yarmulke," I didn't notice that. He's welcome to visit my house on Shabbat. Chanukah is coming up, too, we'll fix him some latkes! |
| | CHEERS to Hamlin taking 2 at home this yr.
It is awesome that they can take the car they won with at Pocono and use it at M ville.
CHEERS to Kyle and Logano on WWE. They did a good job other than Kyle messing up his lines in the beginning and having a hard time with a wrestlers name. Guess he will have to get more acting practice than "Hey Kid"! Loved the entrance that was cool!
CHEERS to the new ad for Direct tv with the Tommy Boy scene. Ya he is right, it never gets old! |
| | Great C&J as always.
Mike Rowe can eat crackers in my bed ')
CHEERS that JJ, who led many laps, conceded that Hamlin had the best car at the end. That shows more championship caliber in my book re the 48 Team. They are gracious, they work like heck, they do a bit of binging and banging, yet have never intentionally taken someone out (names that have done, I bite my tongue!)_
CHEERS that tho the press espoused Martinsville to be a total wreck fest, wasn't. CHEERS to the drivers on double file restart to act adult :)
Major JEERS that this season has seen some really bad wrecks........and huge CHEERS to drivers walking away with just bumps and bruises, no losses on the track since E. CHEERS to NASCAR, the sanctioning Body (warts and farts and all) and CHEERS to those heads of the track that are making it safe to watch racin again :)
Yes, I am of the old school of racin. My late daddy gave me the roots of runnin moonshine, therefore Speed :)
Yet always in the foremost of his mind was taking care of his family :)
Sorry that you 'youngsters' do not have a clue as to what I am saying :(
Yet hear me this: racing is a way of independence. Harks back to the day. Look it up :) |
| | CHEERS to a Martinsville! One of my favorite tracks!
JEERS to JPM and his early contact with JG. Hey Juan, there is still a lot more racing to do, be patient.
I don't have a problem with a little beating and banging at a short track, but smart drivers know when to apply such pressure.
CHEERS to JJ, not being afraid to apply some pressure to Denny in those last few laps.CHEERS to Jimmie, knowing that he did not have the car to win, so he willing backed off. I am a fan of "smart" racers!
JEERS to the black cloud that constantly hangs over the 88 team.
CHEERS to JPM, racing smart there at the end, allowing room for the 24.
CHEERS to Denny, his team, and fans.
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| | Maybe it's becoming clear to all [including the driver] that the last name of Earnhardt doesn't mean instant success.
Of course there's always the thought of the #88 being the Hendrick test car like the #5 and #25 were in years past.
Who is Mike Rowe??
What team does he work for??
Never heard of him.
Jim @ Home |
| | CHEERS to a great race and a great column Carol. If all 36 races were at Martinsville I'd still watch them. There is no such thing as a bad race at that track.
I think the double file restart is especially cruel at Martinville. I'd rather be 9th on the inside than 4th on the outside and it only gets worse as you go back in the field.
Yes Matt6 the tire changer did throw the air gun as Busch drove away after that botched pit stop. Not sure if it was in anger at Busch or in frustration over a bad stop.
I still don't understand the whole taco issue. Does pollitical correctness mean that no one can even acknolwedge anyone ethnic heritage. I'm Italian, feel free to say I am out eating spaghetti anytime you want, it won't bother me. Aren't we as a society getting just a little bit too sensitive?
I'm confused about your Casey Mears making his own bed comment. What did he do to deserve no sponsor, crew chief or job? I'm not a fan so it doesn't matter to me, I'm just curious.
Yeah, Brad is a regular Nostradamus predicting that the 48 will win the championship. Wonder if he can predict what month will come next on the calendar. Just another case of someone in the booth running their mouth to fill up time.
Once again, CHEERS to a great race. I just love short tracks. I think a lot of NASCAR's ratings issues are the result of having so many larger tracks on the schedule. Those 1.5 mile tracks lend themselves to parade "racing", whereas there is never a dull moment on a half mile track.
BTW, Mike Rowe started out doing a Sunday morning real estate show in the Baltimore metro area long before he gained national notoriety. |
| | Jim88,
Mike Rowe does that "Dirtiest Jobs" show on the Discovery Channel (I think). He also does a ton of commercials. |
| | May I?
Mike Rowe is all over the Discovery Channel, and a few others owned by that network. His most recognizable assignment is as the host (and chief victim) of "Dirty Jobs," where he spends a day at work in a variety of dirty/disgusting/slightly hazardous environments, mostly in agriculture and construction, doing the jobs that most of us would refuse to do, to give us the some of the things that we refuse to do without.
In addition, Rowe is the narrator of the "Deadliest Catch" series, which is on every winter. He brings the right kind of gravitas to the hazards involved in Arctic Ocean crab fishing, but also knows when to put a chuckle in his voice during the more light-hearted segments.
He does other announcing work too, but I don't remember the shows.
If you get a chance, take a look at MikeRoweWORKS.com. This is an advocacy site for skilled labor and small business throughout the country. Some interesting insights there!
Rowe is a great supporter of the hard-working, dirty-fingernailed, clean-living people who (once) made America the greatest country in the world. Mike Rowe and NASCAR are probably the best match on TV right now.
--Mike (not Rowe). |
| | Gee, Now I feel ignored.
I worked in a Gas Station for 2 years.
Rode in the back of a trash truck for 1 year.
And about 30 years in a Glass Factory and I never was on TV for 30 seconds in my whole life on account of those dirty and dangerous jobs.
But Inormally have the National Geographic Channel tuned in when Racing or the EAGLES aren't on.
BTW the EAGLES stripped the Feathers off the heads of the Redskins Monday Night.
Made me so happy I couldn't get to sleep until about 4am. I guess that was why I was wide awake at 6am.
Jim @ Home |
| | And in addition, he is much much more. He is an opera singer, a piano player, and even an Eagle Scout. He is a former QVC pitchman, and if you've never read the story of how he came to depart QVC, you've missed out on one of the funniest pieces of live TV moments ever. The complete article and great interview is here. The "nun story" will be pasted at the bottom of this comment because if you don't want to read the six-page article, the nun story is worth your time.
It was in 1991 when I first became familiar with Mike Rowe, and I've been a fan ever since. I was pregnant with my now-grown assistant, and would often be up in the wee hours of the night with nothing to do but watch TV. Mike was the best host that shopping network ever had if you were one to watch for entertainment. He could often be found lying on a couch with his shoes off, telling you about a product as if he were in your living room chatting casually about something he just bought that day. He knew he was on in the middle of the night and that people watching at that hour were likely on their own couches in the same position. He was marketing gold.
He is one of those people that is as genuine as the day is long, and while he's achieved greater success than anyone ever before at Discovery Channel, he remains grounded in lessons learned from his father and grandfather.
Ironically, when the opportunity presented itself to do a "dirty job" with NASCAR, he passed on it.
The nun story will follow in a separate comment box so it can be in its entirety. (Whose idea was it for a 3,000 character limit in this comment box, anyway?! Someone needs to talk to that crazy website owner about that!)
C |
| | And now, "the nun story":
Then came the business with the nun doll. He had just returned from a weekend getaway involving the beach, a case of Dos Equis, and one of those hand models, when a Sunday-evening emergency call arrived from the studio: The prime-time host was ill. Eager to prove his mettle, Rowe rubbed the weekend from his eyes and headed into work, only to find a display of collectible girlie dolls waiting for him. "There were dozens of little hobbits," he recalls, still sounding vaguely offended some 18 years later. "Little pixies from another time, just sitting there like these little Victorian whores. I thought it was a joke."
He was about to be humiliated in his first shot at prime time. "I'd already called everyone I knew to watch." The producer tried to calm him down, but in his panic, Rowe just reverted to his usual shtick. He picked up the first doll, Rachel--"a nightmare in crushed velvet"--by the hair and plopped her in his lap. "I think I described her as 'soulless, a little creepy but kind of hot,' and as 'a runaway from Little Women,'" he says now, rubbing his head. The crew on the set was dumbstruck. But, Rowe says, "I was really encouraged because the little whore sold out in record time."
Then someone handed Rowe a 2-foot nun doll named Sister Mary Margaret. "If you wound her up, she played 'Climb Every Mountain,' which I thought was hysterical." Rowe had four minutes to kill but ran out of material in 30 seconds, including the time he spent having her spank him with a ruler. Then he tried to crank up her music feature. "I've already announced that she plays music, and I'm squeezing her hand, looking around her neck, but I can't figure it out." When the technical director finally cut away to a display version of the same doll, Rowe, in desperation, turned the little sister upside down in his lap and peeled down her garment. He finally found the crank "in the small of her back, but it's really sort of in her ass." Unfortunately, the technical director cut back to Rowe without warning: "Suddenly, I see myself live on the monitor, with Sister Mary Margaret's face in my crotch, my hand on her ass, and her habit around her neck. And the damn thing is playing 'Climb Every Mountain.'" Rowe froze in horror, then made an unfortunate gesture not suitable for prime time. "It was not good."
By the time he got home, his answering machine was jammed. "The 47th message was my boss, inviting me not to come back," says Rowe. But an outcry from viewers earned him a second chance. "I was always on double supersecret probation," he says. And he rarely made it off the graveyard shift. He lasted three years. |
| | The Grieser guy that made the comment about the taco has been suspended for a week. I like JPM's reply, "I don't know who he is".
CHEERS also to JPM for his aggressive driving. It made the race a little more exciting, at least for awhile. Reminded me of the good old days. CHEERS to Carol's article, she pays a lot more attention than I do. :) JEERS to another bad day for my boy. I still love you Dale Jr.! Something about beads melting? I love Martinsville! To me it's better than Bristol. CHEERS to all the retaliation strikes! And CHEERS to me for staying awake the whole race! |
| | I would like to add that my husband and I are big Mike Rowe fans as well. You know his voice without ever having to see his face!
My favorite of his shows is of course Dirty Jobs.... the one that pops out in my mind was the one where he was cleaning the sewer in NYC.... oh how gross!!!
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| | It was Bob Griese, who was the quarterback for the Miami Dolphins in 1972, when the Fish earned the first (and only, thanks to the Giants a couple years ago) undefeated season in NFL history.
I'm sure that JPM wasn't offended by the "taco" remark. I don't even think they serve tacos in Colombia, nor would any self-respecting Colombian eat them up north. But, Latino viewers are a big market segment for ESPN, so Bob's corporate masters had to at least put on a show of sensitivity for their sakes.
He'll be back...all contrite...next week.
--Mike.
BTW, Carol, the nun story is priceless! There's a clip of MR burning himself on a lava lamp on youtube -- that's pretty hysterical. Now, I'll need to look 2nite to see if the nun clip is on there! |
| | The nun clip doesn't exist. Well, it DOES.. but I don't think it will ever be seen. I'm sure it's buried under lock and key somewhere at QVC, but there have been diehard Mike Rowe fans (maybe even myself included) that have been searching for years for it online, to no avail.
C |
| | Hi Carol,
You wrote: "JEERS to debris with 17 to go."
Yep, JEERS to another bogus debris caution for a piece of tape. JEERS to not getting to see Johnson try to catch Hamlin while Hamlin worked thru traffic, the classic racing scenario. JEERS to putting the field into a big pack, resulting in Speed writing off a Red Bull car. JEERS to NASCAR thinking that "double file shootout style" restarts and a green-white-checker is what racing fans want to see.
John
(who turned the TV off when the bogus debris caution was thrown. I knew what would happen after that, and there's better things to do on a sunny afternoon than watch NASCAR's manufactured "entertainment")
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| | Bill B
10/27/2009 7:05 am (10)
I'm confused about your Casey Mears making his own bed comment. What did he do to deserve no sponsor, crew chief or job? I'm not a fan so it doesn't matter to me, I'm just curious.
Carol, who is so very self-righteous, believes that Casey Mears should be crucified for having a baby out of wedlock, and that is why he deserves to lose his sponsor, ride, and crew chief, according to her. |
| | @ Bill B:
You wrote: "I still don't understand the whole taco issue. Does pollitical correctness mean that no one can even acknolwedge anyone ethnic heritage. I'm Italian, feel free to say I am out eating spaghetti anytime you want, it won't bother me. Aren't we as a society getting just a little bit too sensitive?"
The issue is that JPM isn't Mexican. He's Columbian. So Griese's insensitivity was not in making an ethnic reference, but in getting the ethnicity wrong, implying that all Hispanics are Mexicans (it would be similar to someone saying you must like strudel, because you're European and all Europeans are alike).
That said, I agree that it's ridiculous to make an issue of it - the classic tempest in a teapot. But maybe ESPN will learn from this that no matter how desperate they are to get viewers to the NASCAR telecasts (that they're losing their shirt on), forcing the football commentators to promote them is a bad idea (like teaching a pig to sing, it wastes their time and annoys the football viewers).
John
(who likes both strudel, spaghetti, and tacos)
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| | @possum,
"it would be similar to someone saying you must like strudel, because you're European and all Europeans are alike"
But I do like strudel! LOL
"JEERS to NASCAR thinking that "double file shootout style" restarts and a green-white-checker is what racing fans want to see."
I am so glad to hear someone else against the DF restarts. I thought I was the only one. I just think it is unfair to the leader, causes additional wrecks, and as stated above really screws guys on the outside at a place like Martinsville. If the racing was better NASCAR wouldn't have to resort to such tactics.
@stupid...
If that is the case then isn't the real issue having sex out of wedlock... the baby is just the result of indescretion the actual sin is the act. If anyone thinks that 90% (probably 100%) of the drivers haven't had sex out of wedlock then they are living in a world not based on reality. With that in mind all the drivers deserve to be jobless, sponsorless and crew-chiefless. And NASCAR will have to move their outfit to fantasy land.
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| | | Maybe the reason for Jr's poor run is that he was out drinking with Michael Waltrip last week. |
| | Ummmm...in case nobody has noticed....
People have been having sex (and babies) out of wedlock for as long as they've been having sex. No amount of dogma or doctrine will stop that. In Casey Mears's case, he fathered a child out of wedlock, but has chosen to be a part of his young daughter's life. I, for one, wish the three of them the best.
But the vibe I'm getting here is that the birth of Casey's daughter means the accrual on his part of some massive karmic debt that can only be paid through the ruination of his career. What's up with that?
Casey Mears has a child to support. Why wish him out of a job? Shouldn't we be more encouraging of his efforts in this regard, and hoping that he continues to be gainfully employed? That would be the best thing for his unconventional family.
Or, do we really wish to punish the child for her parents' indescretions?
--Mike. |
| | @Bill B:
I'm neutral on the double-file restarts - I was perfectly happy with the old style of double file restarts, and definately at some tracks the guys in one line or the other are penalized in the shootout-style restarts, which isn't really fair (but then, many things in raceing aren't; luck of the draw is always part of the sport).
My real point was, that I'd rather see racing on the track than restarts. NASCAR thinks restarts are exciting (because they bunch up the pack, and often cause a wreck). I'd rather see a guy with a faster car run down a leader that's slightly slower, and see if he's fast enough or he runs out of laps. Or if one guy can work traffic better than another. Y'know, racing. Not restarts.
John
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| | Aside to Carol, the admin, Bill, or whoever can fix it - this is appearing when the page loads:
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| | @ Carol
You should be happy - just saw a tweet from Kyle Petty that stated Bill Weber is no longer with TNT. |
| | That's not news. We've known that for a very long time. He's moved to Las Vegas and is attending Magician School. Maybe hard to understand or believe, but I wish him well.
C |
| | @giluvracing,
My only point was why single Casey out. Personally, I don't think any more or less of him for it. If he wants points in my eyes he needs to finish better on the track. |
| | My point, and this may stir things up again, but it's my opinion. Yours may differ.
My point is that he claimed he was engaged to her. If you've already made that commitment and then there is a baby, why not get married?
He lost his Betty Crocker sponsorship because of it, and that seemed to be the "tipping point" for the downward spiral.
It's pretty clear where I am on the spectrum of liberal to conservative, but if you're in the spotlight of a family sport like NASCAR and you take a different path from those that pay money to be affiliated with the family sport, then you take your lumps as they come.
He is certainly free to do whatever he wants with his life. My observation was that it seemed as though his own decisions are what has brought him to this point, not any other outside influences.
Growing up, that's what my mother used to say "You've made your bed, now lie in it."
C |
| | @Carol
OMG, my mother too was famous that axiom.
I hadn't really thought much about Casey lately, only being glad that a fellow Bakersfield native was driving in a top tier NASCAR series, whoo hoo, and even more overjoyed that he and his mate had produced a baby, another whoo hooo! As a mother of two and and a Nana of two, who grieved deeply when a third grandchild was miscarreid and taken back Home to God, I have learned that every child that are blessed to born are Blessed. To just be thankful that that child has loving parents, even if those parents are unwed. My opinion is fie on judgmentalness. And may Casey Mears and his little family find peace. 'Let those be not of sin, cast the first stone'
It's called diversity, tolerance.
And fie on Casey's sponsors cutting him off...if it is because he chose to wait a while before marrying the mother of his child. Our son-in-law did the same with our daughter, and we don't love him any less. Actually, it was probably more our daughter's decision to hold off marriage. Our Beloved first grandson was born 11 months before daughter and her love were married. What a wonderful thang!
Please don't judge Casey. He's another one of those drivers that have been pinged and ponged.
Amd what job did the fearless Mike Rowe turn down re NASCAR? He is not the cutest man, yet his voice sends shivers down the spines of us females :)
@ the restart naysayers:
for this and the DH fan NOT to have lapped traffic on the inside amd the leaders single file has been such fun to watch. All the leadesrs up front, as should be, getting a taste of what it's like to start on the inside line, make the most of it, and then it's heaven. Or restart on the outside, not always a good thing at a given track. I and the DH think DF helps the cream rise to the top :)
CHEERS to Denny using that line that he felt suited him. CHEERS to JJ too. CHEERS to the DF in the Chase, that's something new. exciting.
And then all I read on threads that the fans are still busted/unhappy :(
Well, the DH and I are not! we are lovin this racin season! :) |
| | | It seems DJ has been upset with Junior ever since he made that comment about Reutimann. I just feel that, I don't know for sure. DJ and JR were supposed to be good friends. |
| | OK...So Casey Mears's having a child before being married cost him a sponsor. Then, what transgressions did Jamie MacMurray, Reed Sorensen, David Stremme, Bobby Labonte, and other drivers who are losing sponsors/rides/etc. commit in order to be on the verge of unemployment?
What's going on in racing isn't a matter of karma, or Divine intervention (one way or the other). It's a matter of economics, and luck, and talent. Know this...if Casey Mears were winning races, he could father a small village out of wedlock and his sponsor wouldn't blink an eye. That's what the "family values" of NASCAR are really about.
One last question, then I'll be quiet. What, exactly, bed did Casey Mears's daughter make????
Maybe Mike Rowe turned down a "dirty job" in NASCAR because it wasn't....dirty? He should go do a dirt track and work with either the track prep crew, or maybe one of the teams. Let him swap out the gears in a quick change rear end after a heat race, while flat on his back in a muddy pit....The man will be in heaven!!
--Mike. |
| | I need to explain why Casey Mears was moved to the #07 and Clint Bowyer to the #33. GIS, which sponsors the #33, didn't want Mears, who had driven for a direct competitor in 2008 (K). Boywer agreed to the move from BF and DTV to GIS.
(DISCLAIMER: Bobby is a shareholder in the following NASCAR sponsors: S, K, UPS, FDX, LOW, GPC, XOM, KO, ASH.) |
| | Bobby,
You're incorrect. They didn't want him because of the family values issue.
Same reason Betty Crocker dumped Erin.
C |
| | I don't care if he had 5 kids out of wedlock... happens all the time... don't have to get married to be a family. To some, marriage is just a piece of paper. I still ate Kelloggs! And still would have ate General Mills cereal with Casey as the driver.
Is Jim Beam dropping Robby for his personal issues? His seem to be worse than Casey's. |
| | Jim Beam isn't exactly the face of traditional family values.
C |
| | | Very true.... they've probably produced many uhm... predicaments. |
| | | Oh please Carol, you have no damn idea why those sponsors left. You just want to claim that everybody else is as self righteous and judgemental as you are. If you ask God, Who you claim to believe in, He would probably tell you to knock it off. He loves you, He loves Kyle Busch, and He loves children and the people that produce them without the benefit of a piece of paper from the government. And while we are on the subject, where the hell is Mr. Carol that made your son? |
| | | Word, you just asked the million dollar question. You won't get an answer, but I give you props for asking it. |
| | | I really wish I had some way of contacting Mike Rowe or someone else at Dirty Jobs... one of the groups I support (when I'm employed and thus have disposable income) is a group that's restored and operates a steam locomotive near me (www.michigansteamtrain.com for their website), and they're about to have to take her out of service for a year for a federally mandated every-fifteen-years full inspection and major overhaul. Like all these groups, they always need more help and more cash, so maybe if we could get Dirty Jobs to help out on that (there's a few hundred thousand dirty jobs involved--one for each pound of the locomotive's weight, really), it'd be good for them. And it could be good TV, too... |
| | You can! Just go to Discovery.com/DirtyJobs and you can submit a job. Here is a link to where to do that:
Submit a dirty job.
It's a forum for the site. Click NEW and then submit your own note with your dirty job.
C |
| | | While I agree with giluvracing and debster48 on the issue of children born out of wedlock (I am stepfather to two wonderful children who were born out of wedlock, and who are better off without their biological father in their lives), I must applaud Carol for rising above the personal vitriol exhibit by a couple of posters. CHEERS to Carol and the vast majority of commentators on here for being respectful human beings, even when we disagree. |
| | Oh, and I almost forgot, a CHEERS for one of JPM's tweets today:
"Guess what I'm having for lunch.....TACOS!!!!!....and I'm serious about it!!!!"
We may debate whether he is being properly respectful of other drivers on the track, but I doubt anyone can seriously find fault with the way Montoya has handled the sheer stupidity of the whole “taco” debacle.
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| | Stewbert: Never for a minute thought that I would agree with you, considering your well-documented dis-like for Mikey, however... your post #41 says it all.
Word:.. Well said. Funny that someone can be so right and pompous, religious, etc..
Too bad that all of those negative posts about Casey are only a continuation of many from the past... Jeremy.. (prior to his recent problems).. Brett Bodine.. (A good guy that the racing author does not like for reasons TOTALLY outside of racing).. and sooo many more.
Expect that we (word, stew, and mikeyfan) may get lambasted for these comments from the 8 to 10 regulars that post religiously with flowering comments to Carol. Or, perhaps not, because most of them only wait with baited-breath for a new column.
Personally, I used to really enjoy Carol's comments after each race, however, it has become a 'love-in'. That stuff went away in my late teen years; many eon's ago.
CHEERS to Casey and his baby, born from love at the time, as are so many others. Happy for Casey and Mrs. Casey.
I seriously doubt that Betty Crocker left Casey for this, nor did they leave the present Mrs Ray Evernham for any particular reason, other than economics. Erin is another sore spot with the author... imagine. !!
FYI... If you have some spare time and want to peruse the last few years of this author's column's; you will likely find disdain for ALL female racers, whether they can race well, or not. (Methinks the author is jealous... lol lol)
FYI. #2.. the author has obviously read "word's" comment, since she has posted after it... proving Stewbert correct. (mikeyfan hates to admit that, for past stuff).. and she has not replied to the comment.
FYI. #3.. "Mr Carol" has "flew the coop." (See reference to Jeremy, Brett, Ray, above. Get the connection ??) |
| | I have been traveling for work most of this week and I am just now catching up on some of the comments. After about 15 minutes of reading, I had to remind myself that I was not stuck in a hotel room watching highlights of Oprah or Dr. Phil.
The last time that I checked this was a...how do I say it...um..fun web site. I dont remember signing up for a "lets figure out what is wrong with the world" web site.
Jim Beam left because sales are down. Betty Crocker left because Erin, unlike her family, could not bake.
To quote my good friend Rodney King..."Can't we all just get along?"
You can't hear it, but my voice is cracking too when I typed that.
Relax everyone...it's friggin Dega weekend. Drive fast, speed turns me on....see you in Victory Lane. |
| | @ C...
"Jim Beam isn't exactly the face of traditional family values"..
Some may agree with you.
Curious where Viagra fit's in here?
Crown Royal ?
Budweiser?
Miller ?
How about all the fast food outlets?
And, of course, those sexist GoDaddy.com ad's with 'what's her name'... you know.. that Patrick girl. |
| | I'm not sure what answers you want from me, but you could maybe consider visiting those sponsors websites to see if they have any specific code of conduct rules in place for their employees.
C |
| | "what answers you want from me"....
How about you respond to stupid_c_word. ??
"...specific code of conduct rules....." hmmm... yeah, okay...
"Hello... Viagra. ??... As an employee, can you please again explain to me the code of conduct for..... "
Nah, sorry, Carol, I think I will pass on that one.
Re: code of conduct... other than Viagra... the alcohol and beer sponsor's are a given.
Wonder how it would go if Sara Lee ever sponsored a car... say; perhaps, Junior, while he is still single, and he wins a race... From Victory Lane: "Nobody does it like Sara Lee"... Who is going to challenge the conduct code of dear Sara Lee then ??? Carol will.
Jim Beam is no different than any other sponsor. ( except for Viagra. :) :) )
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| | Have you considered getting yourself a hobby? It might help resolve some of the hate you carry around. Life is too short, don't you think?
I'll respond to who I choose, when I choose, and IF I choose. But thanks for your helpful input.
C |
| | I have 12 grandchildren, and another on the way... Don't have time for a hobby. Oh, yeah. I work too. Self-employed, busier than a one-armed wallpaper hanger
Your perogrative to respond when, where, to whom.. no issue with that, except that it is your site, you get to post the inflammatory comments, and then have the choice as to whom to respond to, about what serves your interests. And ignore those comments that question you/are not complimentary. Seems to be the reason that only the same 8/10 posters reply to every column. "Great column, Carol"... ad nauseum...
Perhaps an answer to stupid_C_word, for example, may generate responses from other than the usual puppets.
Getting off the high horse may help, as well. It's a new world out there. |
| | BTW:... I carry NO HATE for ANYONE.
Although, there are a small few that kind of tick me off, every once in a while. That, in my books, is a long way from 'hate'. |
| | alright, gotta add my two cents here:
Mikeyfan: You are right- it is Carol's site. and the fact that she has left these attacking comments up for all to read speak volumes of her character. If it were my site, I'd have deleted them long ago, and long since banned those members that are constantly hurling insults- but I don't think I have ever seen Carol remove an attack on herself.
Why do you think she does that? Why does she leave herself open to that?
Because I think she loves for us to have a place to express our opinions, even when we disagree.
Having said that: feel free to disagree somewhere else if her writing and/or opinions bothers you that much. I'm pretty sure that she isn't doing anything to force you (or Stewbert, or stupid_c_word, or a multitude of others that troll the internet all day long looking for nothing more than to start a fight) to be here.
Now, maybe I am one of those "8 loyal ones" you talk about, and that is fine. I'm cool with that. I'm here because I love NASCAR racing, love having a forum to spout my racing related silliness, and I enjoy having a webmaster that is more than fair with her readers (again, her lack of deleting what can be described only as personal baseless attacks that have nothing to do with racing btw, prove her level of fairness that you won't find many places online.)
Maybe some of you should ask yourselves why you come here... |
| | Hmmm....
I seem to have stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest here, and for that I deeply apologize.
My intention was never to get into individual life decisions, or anything like that. My question (waaaaaayyyy up there) was how, when God blesses a couple with a child, people can deem that said child's parent(s) should be deprived of a means of supporting him or her as a result of circumstances that are, frankly, none of their business.
I'm sorry, but I'm not getting the logic on this one.
I do know that certain sponsors have imposed criteria in their contracts with drivers and teams as far as moral terpitude and so forth, and that's all well and good. You take their money, you follow their rules. If, indeed, General Mills withheld sponsorship from Casey Mears because of the structure of his family, that is their right. Whether I continue to support General Mills's attitude with future purchases of their products (a matter of considerable internal debate at present) is mine.
As far as "downward career spirals go," BTW, Clint Bowyer hasn't won races for Cheerios either. Has anyone?
--Mike. |
| | @giluvracing
That's essentially what I said, and until Carol explains where Mr. Carol is and why she shouldn't have her website shut down and whatever other endeavors she's involved in, I don't think she should be making wild statements like that. |
| | @stupid_c_word,
So are you saying that Carol can not state her OPINION without divulging her life story?
Given the fact that we all express our opinions freely without giving such information I would use the same argument to defend Carol as I did Casey. Why should we single Carol out for not telling her life story when she gives her opinion when everyone else isn't held to the same standard? |
| | | I'm saying that Carol shouldn't be a hypocrite, judgemental, and wishing horrible things on people because they did something that she doesn't agree with. I think that's one opinion that we can all agree with, and the way my Bible reads, that's what God would want. |
| | Well I guess you are one of the few people on this planet on their way to sainthood because most people I know can be hypocritical, judgemental and (sometimes) not wish but get joy out of seeing someone that broke the rules get what they deserve (think Madoff here).
My hats off to you for being better than the rest of us. |
| | | I wish some posters on here would start their own websites so I could respond to them the way I want to. If I gave my honest opinion of them here, Carol would boot me off in a heartbeat! All I can say is "If you don't like the way Carol runs her personal website, go get your own if you have enough courage to do so". |
| | Actually joy is not the right word... satisfaction would be better. So that last sentence should be;
...not wish but get satisfaction out of seeing someone that broke the rules get what they deserve |
| | | I'll be the first to admit that I am guilty of all those things. I never intended for this discussion to get out of hand as it has when I made that initial comment. I've read Carol for years and always enjoyed it. She just touched a nerve about the Casey Mears thing. |
| | whew....let me try and derail this.
Anyone hear anything more on what happened on Kurt Busch's pit stop that looked like him and his crew were trying to injure each other?
It ain't easy being a KB fan. |
| | | "Can't we all just get along?" |
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